Thoughts, suggestions and ideas

[Pegasus]

Fairly clear as they stand, but if you're going to keep the rule that PCs can only wear clothes that are in their inventory, I'd recommend including a prompt to buy clothes in the starter kit.

Well, the idea is that the starter pc can have whatever is at their wealth tier -- so there won't be any restrictions on what they have. But yes, I'll add in a (don't forget essentials like clothes etc).

Family wealth looks good. Some questions--

Thank you! And good!

1. Since a PC's family (if the family is wealthier than the PC) needs to be city NPCs, is their family's wealth subject to change by mod intervention? For example, the civil war in Rynmere. If a PC's family had been rich (or say, one of the noble families on the failing side of the war), can a mod deduct wp or lessen that family's wealth tier to fit IC storylines?

Yes, absolutely. This should be story driven. It might be that a pc goes from wealthy family to poor, vice versa or anything in between. PCs with business-owning families can have story driven stuff. Etc etc. You can spend time pulling your family out of poverty, or plotting to put them in it.

2. If a PC's family are city NPCs, are they (the NPCs) allowed to leave that city to live in another?

Yes. Just agree it between the city mods with the proviso of "so long as the story makes sense" I'm not 100% sold on "non-noble" family being city NPCs. I think so long as we tie down the rules clearly enough, we could have them be personal npcs.

3. Is a PC allowed to use their family's wp to buy things above their family's wealth tier for themself (or to buy things for the family)? Or would that require mod approval?

It would certainly require mod approval if it were allowed. I'm kind of of the opinion that you get somewhere to live, etc etc. You want that nice pony? Spend your own WPs. But I could be a grouch

4. Does a PC's family even have a definite number of wps, or is it more like, this family is at tier 5 but without a certain number of wps?

Nah, I'd say keep it at Tier level. So in relation to 3 above it would just be about what level of access to stuff you have above your Tier.

5. I assume PCs will be able to share families. Like, again, the noble families in Rynmere. Will a PC need to get permission to be added to another PC's family (at start)?

Yes absolutely.

6. Can a PC adopt another PC into their family? Say, when Faith had met Padraig, Padraig had been living with his family and they had wanted to take Faith in. Is that possible? Does each wealth tier have a certain number of PCs it can take in in such a way, or is a family able to take in as many PCs as plot demands regardless of tier?

I think, so long as the story is right and makes sense. Yep.

EDIT: It just occurred to me, though this doesn't have to do precisely with family wealth tiers but--
7. Can a PC adopt another PC personally in such a way (outside of slavery)? For a while, Hart was living with Tristan. Not with Tristan's family, but with Tristan personally. So if it is possible for a PC to adopt another PC, as asked before, does each wealth tier have a limit on the number of PCs a wealthier PC can personally take in?

Yes its possible and no, no limit.

BUT - that does make me wonder how we deal with PCs living together. Be that co-habiting, married, siblings. Etc. If I'm at Wealth Tier 4 and I just rent a room from you - then ok. But if I live with you, and you're Tier 8 - well, what's our lifestyle? (I mean, deliriously happy, of course.. it's me.. ) but that probably, also, needs pinning down.

And, I have to wonder, what are the logistics of it? Does Hart need to do a 'family wealth thread' for Tristan if he's living with him?

I think the two of you should be mandated to thread twice a week. Seriously, I think if it's 2 pcs, fill your boots and its fine. Dependent on point 7 above. I think the answer to that will determine the answer for you - as Lei'lira suggests.
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The starting package looks good. We just have to be sure that, since a PC can only start with what they are given in their starting tier (unless they want to drop a wealth tier), that each starting tier for sure includes everything a starting PC might at first need.

1. Will a starting PC be able to sell items from their starting tier for extra wp? So, if a player is able to start with, say, three sets of clothes. Will they be able to sell their extra two sets for wp upon start? I believe the rule, as is, is that anything a PC sells will be worth half its intial wp value. So is that true at start, or will a starting PC be able to sell starting items for the items' full value, as long as they settle all that before they submit their PC for approval?

I actually think - in both of these cases, since the majority of PCs will be able to choose their starter Tier up to a certain one - maybe we just say, you know what - at start up, you can be at that Tier and no messing around. The cherished item should be enough for anything they really want.

Thoughts?

[Kyreen]

Fairly clear as they stand, but if you're going to keep the rule that PCs can only wear clothes that are in their inventory, I'd recommend including a prompt to buy clothes in the starter kit.

Well, the idea is that the starter pc can have whatever is at their wealth tier -- so there won't be any restrictions on what they have. But yes, I'll add in a (don't forget essentials like clothes etc).

That's absolutely fine, I'm not suggesting restrictions other than what's at tier. I'm just drawing on memories of another game I used to play where you got to pick all your gear and So. Many. People. Forgot. To. Buy. Clothes. (clothes were even free, you just had remember to add them to your list). It left me very aware that people can get overwhelmed by all the choice and forget basic things.

If you'd like me to draw up totally optional "grab and go" equipment lists for each tier so that people who are overwhelmed by the full list and just want to dive in can, I could do that.

[Pegasus]

If you'd like me to draw up totally optional "grab and go" equipment lists for each tier so that people who are overwhelmed by the full list and just want to dive in can, I could do that.

That would be beyond awesome! Thank you!

[Lei'lira]

I actually think - in both of these cases, since the majority of PCs will be able to choose their starter Tier up to a certain one - maybe we just say, you know what - at start up, you can be at that Tier and no messing around. The cherished item should be enough for anything they really want.

Thoughts?

This actually brings up a question I have been wondering about. My understanding (which could well be wrong) is that if you are at, say, tier 5, it can be assumed that you have access to any items within that tier that makes sense for you to have IC wise. So things like basic clothes (even having a few sets of them at most tiers), basic furniture that fits your tier, and so on. Are these items that you buy and are itemized in your ledger? Or is it assumed that someone in your lifestyle tier has them? In which case, you would really only be buying/keeping track of things you buy using wp that are above your tier?

I admit to being confused about this.

[Quio]

I actually think - in both of these cases, since the majority of PCs will be able to choose their starter Tier up to a certain one - maybe we just say, you know what - at start up, you can be at that Tier and no messing around. The cherished item should be enough for anything they really want.

Thoughts?

Yeah, that's fine with me. ^_^

This actually brings up a question I have been wondering about. My understanding (which could well be wrong) is that if you are at, say, tier 5, it can be assumed that you have access to any items within that tier that makes sense for you to have IC wise. So things like basic clothes (even having a few sets of them at most tiers), basic furniture that fits your tier, and so on. Are these items that you buy and are itemized in your ledger? Or is it assumed that someone in your lifestyle tier has them? In which case, you would really only be buying/keeping track of things you buy using wp that are above your tier?

I admit to being confused about this.

To my understanding (though I haven't worked on the price list / starting packages so I could be wrong) you don't buy items within your own tier (unless, perhaps, you're buying something extra-- for example, if a PC was allotted x sets of clothing and a PC wanted more than the tier-set amount of clothes). There will be a selection of items and a certain number of each item that a player is assumed to have access to at each tier. So like, Quio (who is often getting hurt and getting his clothes ripped up / torn into bandages / otherwise ruined) might lose one set of clothing. But since according to his tier system he has x sets of clothing, it could be assumed then that he has the wealth to replace the clothes he messed up (sigh; he needs to learn to sew). And he wouldn't need to spend wp to get a replacement set.

I'm not quite sure how that works with things like property though. If Quio's ship was stolen, for instance, I don't know if he would need to pay wp to get a new one, of if his tier would cover that as well.

The items that cost wp are those above a PC's tier. I'd assume that a PC at tier 5 would have the ability to access items below their tier (so they would have equal access to items on their tier and below). But if a PC wanted more expensive / exclusive items, they would have to go above their tier (and thus spend wp) to buy them. Anything bought with wp would go into a ledger.

Additionally, PCs might want to keep track of what items they have according to their tier in their CS (though we already basically do that or at least I do-- I have a section on Quio's CS that dictates his clothing and equipment, as well as the items he keeps on him and on his ship).

[Pegasus]

This actually brings up a question I have been wondering about. My understanding (which could well be wrong) is that if you are at, say, tier 5, it can be assumed that you have access to any items within that tier that makes sense for you to have IC wise. So things like basic clothes (even having a few sets of them at most tiers), basic furniture that fits your tier, and so on. Are these items that you buy and are itemized in your ledger? Or is it assumed that someone in your lifestyle tier has them? In which case, you would really only be buying/keeping track of things you buy using wp that are above your tier?

I admit to being confused about this.

Your understanding is absolutely right. If you're at Tier 5, then you can assume you have access to any items in that tier which make sense.

The way we're going to do it is exactly as Quio has suggested - Each "section" of the price list is going to have limits on how many of each type you can have per.. season / cycle / arc. So, Quio keeps getting his clothes torn up and is, lets say, Tier 6, gets into a situation and his last...good... shirt gets turned into bandages.

The price list will tell Quio how many items of clothing at Level 6 he can assume he's bought per season if he's already done that, then he has 2 choices. Either, he spends some Wealth Points - or he accepts lower quality clothing, which he has access to more of.

Now....

I'm not quite sure how that works with things like property though. If Quio's ship was stolen, for instance, I don't know if he would need to pay wp to get a new one, of if his tier would cover that as well.

The number of ships you can buy per cycle is likely to be significantly less than shirts. So each category of the Price List takes into account the items within it.

The items that cost wp are those above a PC's tier. I'd assume that a PC at tier 5 would have the ability to access items below their tier (so they would have equal access to items on their tier and below). But if a PC wanted more expensive / exclusive items, they would have to go above their tier (and thus spend wp) to buy them. Anything bought with wp would go into a ledger.

Yes, exactly this. Any above-tier purchase must be tracked. Other than that, PC preference.