Thoughts, suggestions and ideas

[Quio]

I checked the wiki and everything looks fine except you have this on there still.

Starting Wage Your starter wage is worked out according to your starting Wealth Tier. The table for this is below.

And we might want to determine what numbers we want definitely for the annual bonus. Unless you'd just like to go with the 10 / 15 / 20 scheme. I'm not really bothered about it either way.

But just to revisit the math... (haha, everyone's probably like PLEASE STOP)
A starting PC will earn 21wp from their first 6 wealth threads (1 + 2 + 3... + 6 = 21). A 10wp bonus is about half of that (10 / 21 = 0.476).

A "starting" PC on their second year will earn 57wp from their next 6 wealth threads (7 + 8 + 9... + 12 = 57). A 15wp bonus is about 25% of that (15 / 57 = 0.263).

A "starting" PC on their third year will earn 93wp from their next 6 wealth threads (13 + 14 + 15... + 18 = 93). A 20wp bonus is about 20% of that (20 / 93 = 0.215).

So those are the numbers as they are. A minor change to 25wp on the third year would bring that bonus up to about 25% as well (25 / 93 = 0.269).

Also, for what it's worth, I don't think wealth skills should be tied to tiers or should require a certain proficiency in the skill. Doing so would restrict what skills a PC would be able to use as a wealth skill, when the point of the wealth skill was to allow a PC to basically claim any productive thread as a wealth thread for that season.

But that's just me. ^_^

EDIT:
Sorry, and just wanted to say that when I said this

we could consider simply giving players +1wp per thread

I meant like... getting 1wp after each thread was reviewed, not waiting to the end of the year and counting up how many threads you had that year.

[Lei'lira]

This has been confusing me for a while, now.

But that takes me into a new Wealth Tier!? Then that's the Wealth Tier you now move to - congratulations! However - your seasonal wage is based on the Wealth Tier you worked out in Step 1.

Does that mean that your wealth points can fluctuate, but your seasonal wage won't? Since we gain more wp with each wealth thread, I am not sure how that works.

[Pegasus]

I checked the wiki and everything looks fine except you have this on there still.

Starting Wage Your starter wage is worked out according to your starting Wealth Tier. The table for this is below.

I think that's out now?

And we might want to determine what numbers we want definitely for the annual bonus. Unless you'd just like to go with the 10 / 15 / 20 scheme. I'm not really bothered about it either way.

But just to revisit the math... (haha, everyone's probably like PLEASE STOP)
A starting PC will earn 21wp from their first 6 wealth threads (1 + 2 + 3... + 6 = 21). A 10wp bonus is about half of that (10 / 21 = 0.476).

A "starting" PC on their second year will earn 57wp from their next 6 wealth threads (7 + 8 + 9... + 12 = 57). A 15wp bonus is about 25% of that (15 / 57 = 0.263).

A "starting" PC on their third year will earn 93wp from their next 6 wealth threads (13 + 14 + 15... + 18 = 93). A 20wp bonus is about 20% of that (20 / 93 = 0.215).

So those are the numbers as they are. A minor change to 25wp on the third year would bring that bonus up to about 25% as well (25 / 93 = 0.269).

So (hold on to your hats) if we went, 5/15/25 then we'd be at about 25% persistently? That seems fairer to me - rather than giving higher proportions early on.

Also, for what it's worth, I don't think wealth skills should be tied to tiers or should require a certain proficiency in the skill. Doing so would restrict what skills a PC would be able to use as a wealth skill, when the point of the wealth skill was to allow a PC to basically claim any productive thread as a wealth thread for that season.

But that's just me. ^_^

Nah, I agree completely. I think that might have been one of those ideas that seemed like a good one before we started, you know?

EDIT:
Sorry, and just wanted to say that when I said this

we could consider simply giving players +1wp per thread

I meant like... getting 1wp after each thread was reviewed, not waiting to the end of the year and counting up how many threads you had that year.

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I agree. So, no second job / Wealth Thread with proportionally divided mathematically dubious (if I do em!) ratios. Just... there's your WPs, dude. Have at it. And do more threads earning them if you're strapped.

That work?

This has been confusing me for a while, now.

But that takes me into a new Wealth Tier!? Then that's the Wealth Tier you now move to - congratulations! However - your seasonal wage is based on the Wealth Tier you worked out in Step 1.

Does that mean that your wealth points can fluctuate, but your seasonal wage won't? Since we gain more wp with each wealth thread, I am not sure how that works.

No - this is ONLY for grandfathering in PCs, and only at the point that they grandfather in.

It's all about me, we know this So I'm going to use an example of one of my PCs. Zana. MB daughter of Delroth, she's a former prostitute currently posing in Viden as the youngest daughter of a well off / old money sort of family. Her former pimp/ handler and still very much her bed-bug, Theo, is posing as her brother.

The pair of them are con artists, basically and they've been living WAY beyond their means in order to find good marriage prospects. Who, you know, once wed might find themselves with a terminal issue. But Zana's disposable income (which will be converted to WPs).

So when they get grandfathered in - at that point their Wealth Tiers will be worked out on their current wages. Their starting seasonal wage will be based on that, too - and then they add +1 per season to that.

[Quio]

I think that's out now?

Yep, looks good now. ^_^

So (hold on to your hats) if we went, 5/15/25 then we'd be at about 25% persistently? That seems fairer to me - rather than giving higher proportions early on.

Correct. Whichever you'd like to do is good with me.

I agree. So, no second job / Wealth Thread with proportionally divided mathematically dubious (if I do em!) ratios. Just... there's your WPs, dude. Have at it. And do more threads earning them if you're strapped.

That work?

Yep. ^_^

I think that's everything? Let me know if there's anything else we've forgotten to go over. Or if there's another way for me to help!

[Pegasus]

Well - it's official that you've already been incredibly helpful!

So - first draft write up of Family Wealth and how it impacts PCs. Any thoughts gratefully received.

Also - Example Starter Pack

[Lei'lira]

Both articles are clear and easy to understand. And I like the way the family wealth section gives the potential for all kinds of plot ideas. XD

One thing I am wondering about is the fact that it was mentioned that each tier would be allowed a number of free NPCs with a wp cost per season for additional ones. I am interested in knowing how many each tier get, and what the seasonal cost of extras will be. ::eyes Lei's horde of kids::

Edit: Also, will kids under 3 arcs continue to be free til they turn 3 in exchange for no starter skills as they are now?

[Pegasus]

Both articles are clear and easy to understand. And I like the way the family wealth section gives the potential for all kinds of plot ideas. XD

One thing I am wondering about is the fact that it was mentioned that each tier would be allowed a number of free NPCs with a wp cost per season for additional ones. I am interested in knowing how many each tier get, and what the seasonal cost of extras will be. ::eyes Lei's horde of kids::

Edit: Also, will kids under 3 arcs continue to be free til they turn 3 in exchange for no starter skills as they are now?

We're currently working on the assumption that NPCs for all will be free and unlimited (at 10gn now, theyre more or less free and are unlimited) for all PCs except slaves. NPCs is next on my list of to do

[Kyreen]

Fairly clear as they stand, but if you're going to keep the rule that PCs can only wear clothes that are in their inventory, I'd recommend including a prompt to buy clothes in the starter kit.

[Quio]

Family wealth looks good. Some questions--

1. Since a PC's family (if the family is wealthier than the PC) needs to be city NPCs, is their family's wealth subject to change by mod intervention? For example, the civil war in Rynmere. If a PC's family had been rich (or say, one of the noble families on the failing side of the war), can a mod deduct wp or lessen that family's wealth tier to fit IC storylines?

2. If a PC's family are city NPCs, are they (the NPCs) allowed to leave that city to live in another?

3. Is a PC allowed to use their family's wp to buy things above their family's wealth tier for themself (or to buy things for the family)? Or would that require mod approval?

4. Does a PC's family even have a definite number of wps, or is it more like, this family is at tier 5 but without a certain number of wps?

5. I assume PCs will be able to share families. Like, again, the noble families in Rynmere. Will a PC need to get permission to be added to another PC's family (at start)?

6. Can a PC adopt another PC into their family? Say, when Faith had met Padraig, Padraig had been living with his family and they had wanted to take Faith in. Is that possible? Does each wealth tier have a certain number of PCs it can take in in such a way, or is a family able to take in as many PCs as plot demands regardless of tier?

EDIT: It just occurred to me, though this doesn't have to do precisely with family wealth tiers but--

7. Can a PC adopt another PC personally in such a way (outside of slavery)? For a while, Hart was living with Tristan. Not with Tristan's family, but with Tristan personally. So if it is possible for a PC to adopt another PC, as asked before, does each wealth tier have a limit on the number of PCs a wealthier PC can personally take in?

And, I have to wonder, what are the logistics of it? Does Hart need to do a 'family wealth thread' for Tristan if he's living with him?
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The starting package looks good. We just have to be sure that, since a PC can only start with what they are given in their starting tier (unless they want to drop a wealth tier), that each starting tier for sure includes everything a starting PC might at first need.

1. Will a starting PC be able to sell items from their starting tier for extra wp? So, if a player is able to start with, say, three sets of clothes. Will they be able to sell their extra two sets for wp upon start? I believe the rule, as is, is that anything a PC sells will be worth half its intial wp value. So is that true at start, or will a starting PC be able to sell starting items for the items' full value, as long as they settle all that before they submit their PC for approval?

[Lei'lira]

And, I have to wonder, what are the logistics of it? Does Hart need to do a 'family wealth thread' for Tristan if he's living with him?

It seems likely to me that he should - just as if a PC was living with an NPC family that is of a higher tier.